notes :for those of you that care this is why Thumos did what he did, and how the reaction wasBurch (lvl 5 with this equip) retired afterwardsi would not have done if he was past the con-save lvl :)if ANY thief let a lvl 5 with +10 ac equip live he is not a true rogue..period!--------------------------------------------------------------how dathedi reacts should show a lot though---------------------------------You tell xxxxx: fuck it im gonna do it..i need the equip myself> gscoresaveDuergar Mines: Abandoned Tunnels [n,e].Rat and Spider are here.> Hp: 184(184)  Gp: 197(198)  Xp: 43029  Socp: 436> Saving...> iWielding : a Dagger.Wearing : a cloak, an Ogre medallion, a Black Helmet, a Black Leather and an          Amulet of Aldinanachru.Carrying: Claymore.          Black chainmail.Your purse contains only moths.> f burchLogin name : burch                 Real name : ???                    First logged on Fri Nov 17 14:36:25 2000.On since Mon Nov 20 06:54:56 2000Idle for 0 minutes and 2 seconds.No mail.No plan.> scoresavegHp: 184(184)  Gp: 198(198)  Xp: 43029  Socp: 436> Saving...> Duergar Mines: Abandoned Tunnels [n,e].Rat and Spider are here.> iWielding : a Dagger.Wearing : a cloak, an Ogre medallion, a Black Helmet, a Black Leather and an          Amulet of Aldinanachru.Carrying: Claymore.          Black chainmail.Your purse contains only moths.> gDuergar Mines: Abandoned Tunnels [n,e].Rat and Spider are here.> snn> You sneak north.Duergar Mines: Abandoned Tunnels [nw,ne,s].Five Mongrelmen are here.> hYou scan quickly about for a hiding spot.> scoresaveCommand queued since You are still looking for a hiding spot.Type 'abort' to attempt to end prematurely.> Command queued since You are still looking for a hiding spot.Type 'abort' to attempt to end prematurely.> You try to hide in the shadows.Hp: 184(184)  Gp: 196(198)  Xp: 43029  Socp: 436> Saving...> snnwYou are not calm enough.> alias 11: backstab burch $*$> snnw> You sneak northwest.Duergar Mines: Abandoned Tunnels [n,se].Bat is here.> snn> Mongrelman hits Burch harmlessly with her club.You sneak north.Duergar Mines: Abandoned Tunnels [w,s].Mongrelman and Burch are here.Two Clubs.Two Corpses of Mongrelmen.> You see Mongrelman stagger as Burch bashes into her with his Holy Sceptre.Mongrelman misses Burch with her club.Mongrelman misses Burch.1Burch convulses in agony as you place your Dagger in him, and blood pours overyour hands.> Burch misses Mongrelman with his Holy Sceptre.Mongrelman hits Burch harmlessly with her club.Mongrelman misses Burch.Burch leaves west.wYou have been noticed.> Duergar Mines: Abandoned Tunnels [nw,e,crack].Burch is here.> You are attacked by Burch.Burch misses you with his Holy Sceptre.Burch leaves crack.crack> Mine Shaft [u,crack].> uwYou are hunting Burch> Mine Shaft [u].> The attempt to west didn't really work out.> uYou stop hunting Burch.> Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [ne,nw,d].Gont'hur is here.> disYou fade into the shadows.> nw> Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [d,ne,se,w].Corpse of Burch.Holy Sceptre.> l corpseThis is the dead body of Burch.corpse of Burch contains:3 platinum, 1 gold and 1 electrum coins.Spiked Helm.Silk trousers.Rhinestone Gauntlets.Golden fur.Reinforced Dwarf Skin Boots.Plain brass ring.Sharktooth Necklace.Ring of Undeath.Spiked Platemail.Fourteen Clubs.> gacYou start getting some stuff from corpse of Burch.}      The ground below you begins to tremble, and a fierce bulette comes outlaunching itself towards you!Dathedi arrives from the northeast.Dathedi punches Bulette in the tail.Dathedi punches Bulette in the rear legs.xxxxx tells you: snickerBulette punches Dathedi in the left leg.Bulette knees Dathedi in the mithril full platemail.Bulette knees Dathedi in the silver bracers.Bulette headbutts Dathedi.Bulette misses Dathedi.Bulette headbutts Dathedi.You get thirteen clubs, a Ring of Undeath, 3 platinum, 1 gold and 1 electrumcoins, a Spiked Platemail, a Reinforced Dwarf Skin Boots, a Spiked Helm, aPlain brass ring, a Golden fur, a Sharktooth Necklace and a Silk trousers fromcorpse of Burch.You have a little difficulty getting the additional load.You cannot lift a club and a Rhinestone Gauntlets.> Dathedi punches Bulette in the tail.se] Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [ne,nw,d].Gont'hur is here.> ne> Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [se,sw].> se> Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [e,nw].Three Duergar Patrol guards are here.> e> Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [ne,w].> ne> Underdark:  Low Spider Tunnels [n,sw,se].> nYou have been noticed.You are attacked by White Knight.> Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [ne,w,s].White Knight is here.> You stab White Knight for 8 HPs damage.neWhite Knight slashes you for 7 HPs damage.HP: 177 GP: 152> Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [nw,ne,w,e,sw,se].> disYou fade into the shadows.> scoresaveHp: 177(184)  Gp: 132(198)  Xp: 43029  Socp: 437> Saving...> se> Underdark:  Low Spider Tunnels [nw,se,s].> seBurch asks you: what are you doing ??> Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [nw,ne].Hook Horror is here.> Saving...xxxxx tells you: your a thief any ways your people should hate u as much as they                would  met burch i needed a golden fur..i dont think you earned that yourselfYou tell Burch: i needed a golden fur..i dont think you earned that yourself> iWielding : a Dagger.Wearing : a cloak, an Ogre medallion, a Black Helmet, a Black Leather and an          Amulet of Aldinanachru.Carrying: Silk trousers.          Sharktooth Necklace.          Golden fur.          Plain brass ring.          Spiked Helm.          Reinforced Dwarf Skin Boots.          Spiked Platemail.          Ring of Undeath.          Thirteen Clubs.          Claymore.          Black chainmail.Your purse contains 3 platinum, 1 gold and 1 electrum coins.> equipYou wield your club.You lack the skill to wield this weapon.You start wearing Silk trousers.Wearing this item doesn't fit with your chosen guild.You start wearing Reinforced Dwarf Skin Boots.Wearing this item doesn't fit with your chosen guild.Wearing this item doesn't fit with your chosen guild.You start wearing Sharktooth Necklace.You start wearing Plain brass ring.You start wearing Ring of Undeath.> gUnderdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [nw,ne].Hook Horror is here.> ne> Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [sw,se].> se> Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [nw,ne,se].> seHeadless zombie of Deception arrives from the southeast.> Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [nw,sw,u].> Headless zombie of Deception arrives from the northwest.nw> Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [nw,ne,se].> ne> Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [n,sw,e].> e> Banefall:  A Wide Tunnel [e,w].> e> Banefall:  Widening Tunnel [e,w].> e> Banefall:  Widening Tunnel [w,d].> d> Banefall:  Widening Tunnel [u,e].> e> Banefall:  Bend in Tunnel [w,n,e,se].> en> Banefall:  Dark Corner [w].Orog Slave is here.> > The attempt to north didn't really work out.> w> Banefall:  Bend in Tunnel [w,n,e,se].> w> Banefall:  Widening Tunnel [u,e].> u> Banefall:  Widening Tunnel [w,d].> w> Banefall:  Widening Tunnel [e,w].> w> Banefall:  A Wide Tunnel [e,w].> w> Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [n,sw,e].Umber Hulk is here.> Dathedi shouts: Demi?e> Banefall:  A Wide Tunnel [e,w].> t xxxxx heheYou tell xxxxx: hehe> e> Banefall:  Widening Tunnel [e,w].> exxxxx tells you: hehe he already alive> Banefall:  Widening Tunnel [w,d].> d> Banefall:  Widening Tunnel [u,e].> wThe attempt to west didn't really work out.> u> Banefall:  Widening Tunnel [w,d].> w> Banefall:  Widening Tunnel [e,w].> w> Banefall:  A Wide Tunnel [e,w].> w> Underdark:  Lower Spider Tunnels [n,sw,e].Umber Hulk is here.> ee> Banefall:  A Wide Tunnel [e,w].> e> Banefall:  Widening Tunnel [e,w].> > d> Banefall:  Widening Tunnel [w,d].> > Banefall:  Widening Tunnel [u,e].> e> > Banefall:  Bend in Tunnel [w,n,e,se].> n> Banefall:  A Wide Tunnel [s,u].> Dathedi tells you: You Die now-----also note, Thumos has not died, and will not die